From lockyert at mweb.co.za  Wed Jul 14 03:40:34 2010
From: lockyert at mweb.co.za (Terrence Lockyer)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:40:34 +0200
Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
Message-ID: <2D0865F7EF9A4A73B599BBEDE2CAF73B@Olorin>

Can anyone identify the source / artist of, or provide any more information 
about, the engraving of a girl dressed in a modern depiction of a Greek 
huntress' costume embracing another in more conventionally feminine dress 
shown at

http://www.bilerico.com/gloria/bilcythere.jpg

The only context I have is the post at

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/06/beautiful_cytherea_classic_lesbian_art.php

where the engraving is described as "Victorian" (but in period or locale?) 
and the title, or name of one of the figures, given as "Cythere", French for 
Greek Kythereia, an epithet of Aphrodite (whom the Romans identified with 
Venus).  As I'm not aware of Aphrodite generally being associated with the 
garb of a huntress (as opposed to Artemis especially), I'm assuming that if 
one of the figures is she, it must be the non-huntress.


Terrence Lockyer
Johannesburg, South Africa 




From alicebrowne at mindspring.com  Wed Jul 14 06:43:57 2010
From: alicebrowne at mindspring.com (alicebrowne at mindspring.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:43:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
Message-ID: <26883203.1279115038093.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The artist's name looks like G. Fraipont. OCLC brings up over 300 records for books illustrated by G. (Gustave) Fraipont. Most of them are obviously not likely sources for the engraving. Catulle Mendes, Les iles d'amour (1886) looks like the likeliest bet; an English translation was privately printed in 1927, which suggests risque content. Other works by Mendes or Gautier are also possibilities.


Good luck,

Alice Browne

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>From: Terrence Lockyer <lockyert at mweb.co.za>
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>Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
>
>Can anyone identify the source / artist of, or provide any more information 
>about, the engraving of a girl dressed in a modern depiction of a Greek 
>huntress' costume embracing another in more conventionally feminine dress 
>shown at
>
>http://www.bilerico.com/gloria/bilcythere.jpg
>
>The only context I have is the post at
>
>http://www.bilerico.com/2010/06/beautiful_cytherea_classic_lesbian_art.php
>
>where the engraving is described as "Victorian" (but in period or locale?) 
>and the title, or name of one of the figures, given as "Cythere", French for 
>Greek Kythereia, an epithet of Aphrodite (whom the Romans identified with 
>Venus).  As I'm not aware of Aphrodite generally being associated with the 
>garb of a huntress (as opposed to Artemis especially), I'm assuming that if 
>one of the figures is she, it must be the non-huntress.
>
>
>Terrence Lockyer
>Johannesburg, South Africa 
>
>
>
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>members mailing list
>members at lambdacc.org
>http://lambdacc.org/mailman/listinfo/members_lambdacc.org



From bmcman at optonline.net  Wed Jul 14 06:58:45 2010
From: bmcman at optonline.net (Barbara F. McManus)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:58:45 +0000
Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
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Good sleuthing!  Terrence, don't rule out the huntress as Aphrodite.  In Book 1 of the Aeneid, Venus appears to Aeneas disguised as a huntress, and Vergil describes her appearance in some detail.  Best, Barbara McManus
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Subject: Re: [LCC] Question about an engraving

The artist's name looks like G. Fraipont. OCLC brings up over 300 records for books illustrated by G. (Gustave) Fraipont. Most of them are obviously not likely sources for the engraving. Catulle Mendes, Les iles d'amour (1886) looks like the likeliest bet; an English translation was privately printed in 1927, which suggests risque content. Other works by Mendes or Gautier are also possibilities.


Good luck,

Alice Browne

-----Original Message-----
>From: Terrence Lockyer <lockyert at mweb.co.za>
>Sent: Jul 14, 2010 6:40 AM
>To: History of Sexuality <H-Histsex at h-net.msu.edu>, LambdaCC <members at lambdacc.org>, Classics List <classics-l at lsv.uky.edu>
>Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
>
>Can anyone identify the source / artist of, or provide any more information 
>about, the engraving of a girl dressed in a modern depiction of a Greek 
>huntress' costume embracing another in more conventionally feminine dress 
>shown at
>
>http://www.bilerico.com/gloria/bilcythere.jpg
>
>The only context I have is the post at
>
>http://www.bilerico.com/2010/06/beautiful_cytherea_classic_lesbian_art.php
>
>where the engraving is described as "Victorian" (but in period or locale?) 
>and the title, or name of one of the figures, given as "Cythere", French for 
>Greek Kythereia, an epithet of Aphrodite (whom the Romans identified with 
>Venus).  As I'm not aware of Aphrodite generally being associated with the 
>garb of a huntress (as opposed to Artemis especially), I'm assuming that if 
>one of the figures is she, it must be the non-huntress.
>
>
>Terrence Lockyer
>Johannesburg, South Africa 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>members mailing list
>members at lambdacc.org
>http://lambdacc.org/mailman/listinfo/members_lambdacc.org


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From lockyert at mweb.co.za  Wed Jul 14 11:23:24 2010
From: lockyert at mweb.co.za (Terrence Lockyer)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:23:24 +0200
Subject: [LCC] Question about an engraving
In-Reply-To: <1302088200-1279115947-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268857447-@bda2811.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <26883203.1279115038093.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1302088200-1279115947-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268857447-@bda2811.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <0A936674ED374288A1BA29CB4786CD2C@Olorin>

Thanks for the replies.  Yes, I should have remembered that Venereal 
epiphany in Vergil!  I wasn't able to make out any of the text on my 
monitor.  I knew about false places of publication from reading a little on 
Sade, but hadn't as I recall met Cythere (as mentioned by Laval Hunsucker).

My interest in this is mainly what the context / story might be (e. g., is
there a specific story / work in mind, or some other reference).


Terrence Lockyer
Johannesburg, South Africa 




From lockyert at mweb.co.za  Mon Jul 26 21:24:02 2010
From: lockyert at mweb.co.za (Terrence Lockyer)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:24:02 +0200
Subject: [LCC] Colloquium on expurgation of classical texts (Oxford)
Message-ID: <80DFF664D10B4AABBC63478561B2C6A0@Olorin>

This notice posted to the (UK) Classicists list by Stephen Harrison might be 
of interested to listmembers here:

The Corpus Christi Centre for the Study of Greek and Roman Antiquity
Presents a Colloquium on Expurgation and The Classics
Corpus Christi College, Oxford, Saturday 13th November 2010.

This one-day colloquium (c.10.00-6.15) looks at expurgation in classical 
scholarship and education and the strategies it has used to deal with 
obscene and other textual material in conflict with Christian and other 
post-classical values. Speakers : Ewen Bowie, Valentine Cunningham, Stephen 
Harrison, Tim Leary, James Morwood, Dan Orrells, Ian Ruffell, and 
Christopher Stray. Cost ?10.00 to include coffee, lunch and tea (please pay 
cash on the day); graduate students of Corpus, no charge. If you would like 
to attend, please register with Prof. Stephen Harrison at Corpus 
(stephen.harrison at ccc.ox.ac.uk).

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From lockyert at mweb.co.za  Mon Jul 26 21:24:02 2010
From: lockyert at mweb.co.za (Terrence Lockyer)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:24:02 +0200
Subject: [LCC] Colloquium on expurgation of classical texts (Oxford)
Message-ID: <80DFF664D10B4AABBC63478561B2C6A0@Olorin>

This notice posted to the (UK) Classicists list by Stephen Harrison might be 
of interested to listmembers here:

The Corpus Christi Centre for the Study of Greek and Roman Antiquity
Presents a Colloquium on Expurgation and The Classics
Corpus Christi College, Oxford, Saturday 13th November 2010.

This one-day colloquium (c.10.00-6.15) looks at expurgation in classical 
scholarship and education and the strategies it has used to deal with 
obscene and other textual material in conflict with Christian and other 
post-classical values. Speakers : Ewen Bowie, Valentine Cunningham, Stephen 
Harrison, Tim Leary, James Morwood, Dan Orrells, Ian Ruffell, and 
Christopher Stray. Cost ?10.00 to include coffee, lunch and tea (please pay 
cash on the day); graduate students of Corpus, no charge. If you would like 
to attend, please register with Prof. Stephen Harrison at Corpus 
(stephen.harrison at ccc.ox.ac.uk).

----------

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